The Real Housewives of New York City
RHONY’s Relationship Status –
Part 2 of 3
It’s time for Part 2 of a 3-part blog about the Real Housewives of New York this season thus far. If you missed Part 1 – You can access it here: https://snackingandsnarking.com/2018/05/rhonys-relationship-status-its-complicated/
Today, we delve into the friendship statuses of Dorinda, Luann, and Ramona. I’ve decided to save Sonja and Tinsley’s relationship snapshot for tomorrow’s installment. As the name on today’s blog indicates, “It’s Convoluted” to say the least.
In addition, tomorrow’s Part 3 of this blog will revisit a few of the more important scenes this season thus far and will include some quotable quotes.
Grab some more popcorn and your drink of choice… There’s much to discuss!
Dorinda’s Friendship Status – “It’s Inebriated”
Bethenny – Dorinda could be mad at Bethenny for confronting her about her drinking whilst on a plane. It’s difficult to make a housewives-esque dramatic exit on a plane.
I wrote yesterday I thought it wasn’t okay to have the “drunk” talk with Dorinda on camera unless she had agreed to it. As far as I could see it – that’s the only thing that Dorinda could be possibly mad about, right?
I was wrong. So very wrong…
In this week’s blog, Dorinda tells us that she had no idea she was supposed to show up to a dinner with Bethenny’s partners until 5 minutes before she was supposed to be there.
How did Dorinda not know about the dinner? Did she forget? Did Bethenny and Production not tell her? Was this a last minute Production decision? The cameras were already set up to film the dinner between Bethenny and her disaster relief partners.
There’s a lot of logistics that go into these shoots at public places. Permissions, waivers and releases have to be signed… Lighting and sound has to be figured out… This all doesn’t just magically happen.
Perhaps Production thought the scene would be better with both Dorinda and Bethenny in it.
The dinner was at 7:00 PM and Dorinda originally thought she was going to spend the evening in her room watching Law & Order. It seems like Dorinda thought it was okay to drink a lot since it was still early enough in the evening for her to be sober and ready for their 6:00 AM start the next morning.
People are accusing Bethenny of setting Dorinda up. Huh?
First of all, as gown ass women – no one makes us drink anything. We choose to drink. Dorinda choose to drink copious amounts of alcohol while on a disaster relief trip. Bethenny also drank. Bethenny was not slurry-speech drunk, though.
By now, Dorinda knows herself and should have known better than to go down to dinner when she was so drunk.
Plus, I don’t think Bethenny “set Dorinda up” because there’s really nothing in it for her to do so. This relief effort is HUGELY important to her and I can’t imagine her wanting to do anything to jeopardize it in any way – Especially when it comes to her relationship with her disaster relief partners.
I think what might have happened was at the last minute, it was decided that it would be good idea for Dorinda to be at the dinner as well. Though I admit I am dumbfounded at why this wasn’t the plan all along.
Could it be as simple as Production thinking Bethenny told Dorinda about the dinner and Bethenny thinking Production told Dorinda about the dinner?
I have questions, dagnabit!
What I’m reasonably certain of is this: Bethenny was not out to make Dorinda look foolish – Dorinda did that her own danged self.
In her blog, Dorinda also writes, “For reasons that become more obvious to me later, she [Bethenny] has invited me to tag along on a trip to deliver cash cards to those in need in Puerto Rico.” Dorinda seems to be implying that Bethenny had ulterior or impure motives when she invited Dorinda on the trip. Huh? Let’s take a look at what we know about Bethenny’s motives…
Bethenny said on camera that she thought Dorinda would get a lot out of the trip. Dorinda had been curious and had been asking Bethenny about how these trips were impacting her life. In her blog, Bethenny said, “Perhaps I brought Dorinda because I sensed she needed a change.”
In addition, Bethenny tweeted the following on May 9th:
I really don’t see any wackadoodle motivation about the original invitation for Dorinda to go on the trip, to be honest.
The only possible skewed perk that I can think of inviting Dorinda over inviting some of the other housewives is that I suspect Dorinda has a lot of connections to rich potential donors for the charity. I suspect Carole has some of those connections, too. It doesn’t make sense that IF that was Bethenny’s true motivation, that she would invite Dorinda over Carole.
Dorinda seems also to be mad at Bethenny because she thinks Bethenny is using Dorinda to create a “TV moment” rather than to show her genuine compassion. Dorinda writes in her blog:
“Naturally, Bethenny calls me a drunk. Is she really compassionate or is this just another TV moment? We’ve all seen it before —her absolute glee while waiting for one of us to make a misstep, then she pulls out her P-Touch label maker: whore, drunk, nit-wit, loser. Cue the hug.”
I dunno… I didn’t see any “glee” whatsoever on Bethenny’s face when she was awkwardly talking to Dorinda on the plane about her drinking. Dorinda needs to look in the mirror when she talks about someone else putting labels on people, no?
In a weird kind of way I do kind of understand the “waiting for one of us to make a misstep” thingie.
While in college, the “Elmo Dilwad Award” and the “Elvira Dilwad Award” were awarded to people who did something exceedingly stupid during any given week. People were eager to rat each other out about it – because if someone else did something more stupid than you did – THEY would get the award that week – not you.
I may or may not have received the award once… allegedly.
It’s true the housewives tend to lunge and attack each other whenever one of them does or says something wonky. It’s sport for them to poke fun at each other in their THs. Bethenny certainly does it.
I don’t know if their motive is to laugh or to capitalize on someone else’s misfortune or if it’s just a relief that you’re not the target of the attack at the moment…
I also think it’s true that Bethenny labels stuff… Labels help to organize and compartmentalize, no? Bethenny hates clutter and loves organization – I’m guessing that’s how her mind works, too. Plus – most of them do the same danged thing. Dorinda of ALL people needs to look back at her own one-liner “labels” she has liberally hurled in the other’s direction.
There is disagreement about whether Bethenny called her “drunk” or “a drunk.” Usually, there is a big difference between the two because one is talking about being drunk during a snapshot in time while the other is talking about being generally “a drunk.”
While we have seen Dorinda being occasionally drunk in seasons past – she has really outdone herself this season. We’ll talk more about that in Part 3 of this blog.
Dorinda’s not just a “mean drunk” she’s a “vicious drunk.” People love it because it makes for great TV. It makes me sad when I see Dorinda drinking so much. The pain behind Dorinda’s drinking is palpable.
In addition, Dorinda is livid at Bethenny for saying that Dorinda’s late husband was, “Slightly powerful and slightly political.” Whoa, baby!
It was a mean thing for Bethenny to say, for sure. It’s all in the word, “slightly.” I don’t understand at all why Bethenny would minimize his life and accomplishments like that… She should know you don’t talk ill about the dead.
The very last reason I will mention at why Dorinda might be a tad irritated at Bethenny – Is that when Dorinda gave her a nice gift, Bethenny told her that she is “destined to make me [Bethenny] a hoarder.”
Wow… okay… Was there a “thank you” hidden in there somewhere? To be fair, Bethenny did say “thank you” but if I were Dorinda I wouldn’t have heard that part because I would be fixated on the fact Bethenny devalued the gift I had just given her.
Carole – Dorinda and Carole are both widows and share that unfortunate bond. Carole is squarely on Dorinda’s side in her argument with Sonja about how losing a husband through death is worse than losing a husband through divorce.
Luann – Dorinda got mad at Luann when Luann wrote the following in her blog:
Bethenny invited Dorinda to Puerto Rico because she believed that she would be an asset on this relief trip. Instead, in an effort to appear relevant, Dorinda insulted Bethenny’s partners after she drank too much. You would think that by now Dorinda would realize that drinking makes her aggressive. It’s not a good look, and I hope she took to heart what Bethenny had to say about her drinking.
Now personally, I think what Luann wrote is an accurate portrayal of the truth. Dorinda IS aggressive when she drinks. We have oodles of footage to prove it. I also agree that it is NOT a good look for Dorinda.
But here’s the thing… This criticism is coming from “Countess Luann” who was actually arrested in Palm Beach last December for disorderly intoxication, battery on an officer/firefighter/EMT, resisting arrest with violence, and threatening a public servant.
Ummm… yeah… Luann, you can take a seat.
Upon reading Luann’s blog, Dorinda tweeted the following:
Carole even got into the act by responding to Dorinda’s tweet:
Personally, I think neither Luann nor Dorinda should be throwing stones.
Dorinda also got mad at Luann during the lunch in the Hamptons, when Luann was trying to soothe Sonja by saying that Sonja had been through so much in her life. Dorinda flipped a fig by saying that she had to bury her husband and implying she had gone through much worse than Sonja. It was Dorinda who was first comparing her loss to Sonja’s loss – not the other way around. Know that!
Ramona – I think Dorinda is still mad a Ramona for trashing her house last season and not being sorry for it – at least initially. Ramona is known as “The Apologizer” so it’s interesting to me that she didn’t apologize until she was goaded into doing so.
They seem to be doing okay this season, though. Dorinda stayed with Ramona when they’re in the Hamptons.
There have been a couple of awkward times when Dorinda has caught Ramona talking about her behind her back because she happened to walk in on a conversation at the right time… lol.
Sonja – Sonja didn’t respond to Dorinda’s Halloween party invite nor had she heard anything from Sonja in a long time. Dorinda compared Sonja’s sudden disappearance to “Where’s Waldo?” by saying, “Where’s Sonja?”
Also, Dorinda is royally pissed off that Sonja didn’t come over to greet the women (or her as the host) at the Halloween party and instead stood 30 feet away at the bar with Rocco for the first hour or so. She thinks Lady Morgan, a woman of etiquette, should have at least greeted her host. She’s right.
During the Halloween party, Sonja allegedly told a friend of Carole’s (Eric) that Dorinda “looked fat” in her Lady Gaga bubble costume. People have died for less. I know Sonja was sensitive to her own weight gain issues around that time – so you would think she would have kept her mouth shut whether it was true or not.
Even if she didn’t have her own weight gain issues, you don’t go around calling a friend “fat” – especially behind their back… or behind their back fat.
This brings us to the BIG FIGHT in the Hamptons. Dorinda is mad at Sonja because Dorinda thinks Sonja equated losing a husband through divorce to losing a husband through death. Sonja really didn’t do that – at least not initially. It was Dorinda who first compared what she went through to what Sonja went through. Dorinda is so angry at Sonja about this that she can’t even consider Sonja might be in pain, too.
I’ll go more into this tomorrow – but seriously… It’s always dangerous when we compare our pain to what someone else has gone through.
Death and divorce are apples and oranges – but they both come from the tree of loss. They are completely different from each other – but they both have branches and leaves.
Tinsley – Dorinda seems to really like Tinsley. I don’t think we’ve seen them doing much together without someone else being there, too. I don’t think either one has pissed the other off too badly… yet.
John – I think Dorinda is speeding on ahead and looking at John in her rearview mirror. If he’s lucky, she won’t put it in reverse and drive over him. I think he’s worn out his usefulness to her.
He helped her cope with the loss of her beloved husband.
I felt horrible for John when Dorinda gushed and gushed about Bethenny’s boyfriend (Dennis) at dinner in the Hamptons. You could see the hurt in his eyes. I kinda felt sorry for John.
I’ll never forgive Dorinda for making me feel sorry for creepy John.
Luann’s Friendship Status – “It’s Incarcerated”
Evidently, most of the other housewives are mad at Luann for not talking about her divorce. I don’t get it – Who would want to hear anything more about Tom?
Bethenny – Luann could be perturbed with Bethenny for not taking her on the disaster relief trip to Puerto Rico – even though Luann expressed an interest in going. I think I would have wondered by Bethenny picked Dorinda over Luann. Perhaps Bethenny explained it to her… Perhaps there’s another trip in the offing… who knows?
Bethenny and Luann seem to be fairly good friends all of the sudden. Who knew? They weren’t that great of friends before Tom – it’s interesting they’re friends now.
I think on some level, Luann appreciates that Bethenny tried to warn her about Tom – even though she didn’t listen at the time.
Luann also might be cranky at Bethenny for putting her on the spot at Ramona’s dinner. Luann was making small talk and asking about how Bethenny and Dennis met. Bethenny let Luann hang herself with her own rope when she divulged Dennis was the guy Luann was spreading rumors about at last year’s Reunion Show. It was kind of hilarious…
Carole – Luann could be mad at Carole for saying in her TH that Luann’s Diana Ross costume is disrespectful and that Luann is not only tone deaf regarding cultural situations but is generally tone deaf as well – thus implying Luann can’t sing… which ya know… she can’t… lol… Autotune is Luann’s best friend.
Luann was miffed because Carole didn’t bother to text her after hearing about Luann’s divorce. Carole said she could be mad at Luann for not texting her when she and Adam broke up as well. Carole didn’t want to text her because she thought it would be too insincere.
Luann could also be mad at Carole for saying she thinks Luann is a “dark cloud” and “an ominous presence.”
A couple of weeks ago, Luann and Carole had a friendship summit and came back with a truce. The clouds have cleared and the skies are blue. I’m just waiting for the bluebird of happiness to crap all over them again. ‘Cuz… ya know…
Dorinda – Luann be cranky at Dorinda because she got so drunk at lunch that she went batcrapcrazy towards Sonja.
Luann could be mad at Dorinda for getting lipstick all over her nice sweater in the Hamptons. I was oddly fixated on the spot throughout the entire lunch and the fight thereafter.
I think Luann thought their relationship was fine… Until last week in real time – when Dorinda responded to Luann’s blog so aggressively. Luann is also friends with Sonja – which may give her a certain bias against Dorinda because Dorinda’s been saying such nasty things about Sonja.
Ramona – Luann could easily be mad at Ramona for inviting Missy (a former girlfriend of Tom’s) to every single event they have. Even Carole confronted Ramona about it because she thought it was in such bad taste.
At Ramona’s shopping event, Luann classily made nice with Missy.
Ramona’s blindness to how her actions impact others must be frustrating to these women.
Sonja – Luann is fairly okay with Sonja. She does offer her a place to stay in the Hamptons – she just didn’t offer her a ride.
Luann didn’t understand why she didn’t see Sonja over the summer – but she didn’t seem all that bothered by it.
Luann doesn’t like how Sonja is continuing to talk to the press about her. For example, a story came out that Luann was “dating like crazy” – but she was still married at the time. Luann confronted Sonja about it and basically told her she had to stop.
The truth was that Sonja hadn’t seen nor spoken to Luann since last year’s Reunion Show so there was no way Sonja would know such things about her.
Also, when Sonja found out that Luann was getting a divorce, Sonja texted her saying, “Oh God.” Really, Sonja – That’s all you’ve got – 2 whole words? And you complain about Carole only texting you with a “thx” instead of a “thanks?” KMN
Luann could be mad at Sonja for giving her a list of grocery items she would need while Sonja stayed with her in the Hamptons. The list included buying her a Ninja blender, almond milk, assorted fruits and vegies, etc. Who asks someone else to buy them a blender? Bring your own danged blender…
Sonja brought her dog to the Hamptons but didn’t clear it with Luann beforehand… She just showed up with it. Who does that? I would be pretty cranky, if I were Luann.
When Sonja stayed with Luann in the Hamptons, Sonja rummaged through Luann’s closets without permission and came downstairs wearing her slippers. Remember when she did that same thing at Dorinda’s house and she wore a nightgown ensemble Dorinda’s late husband had bought for her? Yikes!
Tinsley – Luann could be irritated with Tinsley because she accused Luann of putting up a “Countess wall” by refusing to talk about the demise of her relationship with Tom. They all had to put up with her incessant talk about their relationship when things were good… but now suddenly Luann doesn’t want to talk about it anymore. Luann confides that she’s just too hurt to be able to talk about it. I kinda get it.
Plus… Luann doesn’t want to watch them incessantly perform the “I Told You So Dance.”
Tom – Luann’s relationship with Tom is nonexistent… Just the way I like it.
I’m sure she’s actively on the prowl once again and may even be in full cougar mode
Ramona’s Friendship Status – “It’s Computer-Generated”
In full disclosure I haven’t gotten over last season – so I admit I might have some bias on this one. I was so danged mad at Ramona for a million different reasons.
Bethenny – Ramona is pissed off at Bethenny ‘cuz when they talked about Bethenny’s new Hampton investment property, she felt that Bethenny got very defensive and started “attacking” her. Bethenny WAS brutal towards Ramona. I think she, too, hasn’t gotten over the Ramonacoaster that was last season.
Bethenny told Ramona that she cannot help herself from being unkind. No matter what Bethenny says – Ramona always has something negative to say about it.
One of Ramona’s biggest problems is that she speaks before she thinks. She blurts out crap before she thinks about what impact it will have on the listener. Most of us learned how not to do that early in life. Ramona is a slow learner… Well, actually, she’s a non-learner.
Bethenny blurts out crap in the heat of the moment, too – but most of the time I think she knows exactly what she’s saying and the effect it will have on the listener.
Ramona also could be mad at Bethenny for essentially telling Ramona to her face that she wasn’t successful. Ouch! And not true… Ramona has been very successful – maybe not Bethenny-level successful… but successful nonetheless.
After Ramona insisted that she believes in women and that she empowers women… Bethenny disagreed. She told Ramona that nobody believes the bullsh*t she spews. Bethenny has been really harsh towards Ramona.
Bethenny said of Ramona, “As long as she’s better than everybody else, she’s happy.” I’m guessing the other women would say that same thing about Bethenny. Perhaps Bethenny and Ramona are more similar than we thought? Nahhhhhhh…. lol.
If not already, Ramona WILL be mad at Bethenny because in her TH, Bethenny said, “Ramona has a very rare disease called ‘moron-opathy.’ She needs to get an ‘imbecile-opathy’ to find out what’s really the problem with her boosh.” I’m not sure what Bethenny meant by that last word – even though I replayed it 4 times and consulted the closed captioning… I kinda don’t think I want to know… lol.
Bethenny decided not to go to Ramona’s shopping party. With everything on Bethenny’s plate, she says sarcastically, “There’s a couple of things I have on my schedule that are more important than Ramona’s party.” <giggles>
Carole – Ramona and Carole seem like friends at the moment. I dunno how it happened – it just happened. It’s weird. It’s like we all fell through a rabbit hole or something.
Dorinda – Ramona and Dorinda have been friends for years.
Luann – Luann told Bethenny that, “Ramona is a horrible human being.” Bethenny repeated it to Sonja. Once she found out, Ramona was probably mad at all of them for it – because no one contradicted the statement itself… lol.
Sonja – At the Halloween party, Sonja made a flippant remark about how Ramona finds her dates online. Umm… this is 2018… isn’t EVERYONE doing that?
Ramona thinks her relationship with Sonja has changed and she’s not sure why. Their reality is that they are no longer as close as they once were. Ramona tells Sonja she’s closer to Carole than she is to Sonja. Whoa…
Ramona reached out to Sonja several times over the summer to get together but it never happened. Sometimes, Sonja didn’t even respond to her texts. Ramona was aware Sonja was in the Hamptons several times – but just never reached out to her.
Ultimately, Ramona called Sonja, “An absentee friend.”
Sonja implied there was something between Ramona and her contractor by say saying, “She loves them hard but leaves them easy.” Huh?
Wouldn’t it be more correct to say, “She loves them easy but leaves them hard?” lol… Sonja went so far as to say that Ramona was in love with Mario (her contractor).
Sonja told us that Ramona makes fast friends with guys when she needs them and when she no longer needs them, she leaves them and says, “Next.” Sonja said there’s a whole graveyard of guys Ramona’s left behind in her wake.
Sonja called Ramona a “sociopath” when talking to Bethenny about what happened at lunch because she refused to recognize that Sonja was also in pain at the loss of her marriage. I don’t think Sonja knows the definition of a “sociopath.”
Ramona knows that Sonja is cranky that she didn’t stick up for Sonja. Sonja sent her a very emotional email (or text – I can’t remember). It was long and said some nasty stuff.
Sonja even told Ramona, “You know I would never cheat on my husband.” Ramona stayed silent throughout the big fight except to encourage Sonja to apologize.
Ramona said in her TH that she knows certain things about Sonja and her life that Sonja told her in confidence.
How ominous is that? My mind reels from the endless possibilities… Is Sonja an axe-murderer? Is Jimmy Hoffa alive and well and living in her attic? Did all of those bottles of cooking oil in her basement suddenly disappear? I need answers, dagnabit!
Ramona didn’t want to take a side in the fight because they’re not in high school and Sonja can fight her own battles… Most of us can fight our own battles – that’s not the point. I think if you have truthful information that can help diffuse a heated situation… You should step up and say something.
The Department Store Staff – Ramona decided that she wanted to physically move around the Christmas decorations at the high-end store. The staff was trying to tell her to stop – they would handle it – but Ramona didn’t listen.
Ramona wanted more trees to be brought into the area where they were having the little gathering. Ramona’s lucky the staff didn’t shove the tree somewhere…
The Artist – An artist and his friend brought his art to Ramona’s house so she could choose what to hang in her house. Ramona, because she has never ever met someone she didn’t order around, decided the artist and his friend needed to become her personal moving crew. She asked the guys to move some stuff around her house… It was crazy! How is THAT their job!
Tinsley – Ramona seems to like Tinsley – though I suspect they’re interested in dating similarly-aged men. However, they are not especially close friends – at least not yet.
Woo hoo! We made it through Part 2 of 3! Yay!
It’s so crazy – like I’ve said – even with all of this said – I left lots of stuff out.
Thanks so much for reading! I really appreciate it.
I do plan to still post Part 3 tomorrow – though it might be in the evening sometime. I got pretty sick yesterday and I’m still feeling yucky. When I have a stomachache, I like to eat scrambled eggs…. or “scrambles” as we call them.
I will say that Mr. Starz offered to cook me 2 eggs one way – and one egg another way… lol. He also told me that one could even be a hardboiled egg.
Poor guy… He’s been subjected to way too much of this show, no? lol. I blame Carole for this… lol.
Hope to see you tomorrow!
Video of the Week
I love otters. I love to watch them play. At the moment I’m pretty hungry because of my stomachache problems yesterday. I can relate to this otter and I may or may not have uttered similar sounds whilst feeding. This YouTube video was posted by Charles Barnes entitled, “Hungry Otter.” Enjoy!